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Post by Chilled on 18/6/2011, 06:20

Hello guys, meet myself with problem of lack of good defender's maze's.Can you recommend some good one's, or simply tell what maze you prefer to use.
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Post by H3katonkheir on 18/6/2011, 07:19

Are you looking for a juggle maze, or just a normal maze?

For normal mazes try;
[DEF]Beginner's Diagonal
[DEF]Spiral
They have the longest pathing time of almost any maze, and very efficient. If you think they look too simple, that's because they are, but simple is sometimes best. (I still use these).

For juggling try LeafMuncher's;
[DEF]Diamond Spiral (J)
Edit: [DEF]-Cl0s3d- Loop (J)
Otherwise I can design a few others.
3-way defender mazes are generally not necessary.


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Re: Need some advice

Post by Chilled on 18/6/2011, 07:33

Thanks, but i'm little confused with unjuggling maze's description, i'm not beginner, just tired of building same thing's and want somenthing new if you meaned that. By the way i would be very greateful if you showed how to build *[DEF]Beginner's Diagonal* Laugh
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Post by H3katonkheir on 18/6/2011, 08:33

The maze is not only for beginners. It is just a very good example for beginners.
If you are looking for 'something different' then this is probably not the maze to use. It is quite generic and not very interesting.

For something more interesting try;
[DEF]The 'S'

However, here is a detailed diagram of building;

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Post by Chilled on 18/6/2011, 08:42

*[DEF]The 'S'* is most usable maze on server where i play and besides it was my main maze for a long time so it's not new to me as well as *Spiral*, so i will try *Diagonal* unless you have other suggestion's.
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Post by LeafMuncher on 18/6/2011, 09:13

Geez H3k, how can you recommend The S as something new? Tongue
Personally I would recommend this as a non-juggling maze:
http://tropicaltowerwars.betaboard.net/gallery/Defender-Mazes/DEFBack-to-Back-Slant-pic_60.htm
and would also say the "-cl0s3d- loop" as H3k mentioned for juggling
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Post by Chilled on 18/6/2011, 09:27

Thank you, Leaf but shall repeat myself: *It will be great if i'll know how to build it*. Sorry, just too lazy for sorting out with building Tongue
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Post by H3katonkheir on 18/6/2011, 09:54

I fail to see where I said '"new" Wink What I had said was "more interesting", and in degrees of comparison of the diagonal maze to the S maze, it is more interesting.

Here's the detailed diagram for the
[DEF]Back-to-Back Slant Maze;

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Re: Need some advice

Post by Chilled on 22/6/2011, 01:42

H3k, thank you for *[DEF]Beginner's Diagonal*, after some testing i understood that it's really good one.Now plan to use juggling maze and see hot it work's
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Post by Chilled on 22/6/2011, 01:44

And about [DEF]Spiral: maybe i build it wrong but i think that until it reacheas 60/60 it's totally useless as a maze so didn't like it
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Post by H3katonkheir on 22/6/2011, 03:40

No problem Smile just say if you need anything else.
I also found the [DEF]Spiral to be a bit hard to start out with, but there are ways to build it which make it much more effective early on.

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Re: Need some advice

Post by Chilled on 22/6/2011, 05:04

Can you show them if it's possible?
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Post by vAnKaTa_G.G. on 22/6/2011, 05:33

Chilled did you check the Maze gallery on the site http://tropicaltowerwars.betaboard.net/gallery/index.htm

Just checking. Excited
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Re: Need some advice

Post by Chilled on 22/6/2011, 05:44

Kind of silly quistion, of course Wink Just asking for people's choise/preference
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Post by vAnKaTa_G.G. on 22/6/2011, 07:01

Yeah just asking Excited I started off with a similar to the S-shaped maze and later customized it to my liking though later I stopped playing defender and played goalie for a while. There the maze was entirely my creation. Haven't played TTW or Warcraft in a loooooong time though I should check if I have schematics of the maze somewhere on my PC. Excited
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Post by Chilled on 22/6/2011, 07:45

That would be great if you post your creation here. For goalie i use H3k's maze, hope he don't mind Tongue Don't know it's name but learned it from replay posted here
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Post by vAnKaTa_G.G. on 23/6/2011, 00:09

There you go. My maze Smile
It has served me well Excited
Not the best thing I could think of but it has served its purpose so far Excited


EDIT Sorry for being too lazy to make it in the new Maze Editor Excited
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Post by Chilled on 23/6/2011, 02:09

Thanks, it seems to be good, i'll test it soon. Also forgot to tell that *[DEF]Diamond Spiral (J)* is my main juggle maze if someone interested Smile
Besides guys, Leaf and H3ka you adviced *[DEF]-Cl0s3d- Loop (J)* i wanna' try it so please could some of you teach me to build it, that would be very nice Tongue
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Post by LeafMuncher on 23/6/2011, 05:11

Hmm, there is a simple way, and a complex way of doing the -cl0s3d- loop maze. If I were to "teach" the maze it would likely be a full article or tutorial, but here is the simpler build order:


And if you can understand it, this is the complex version of up to 35 towers:


In both versions, tower number 01 becomes the pop building (tuck it nicely into the corner). In the second version, tower 16 is placed to block creeps during early construction of the maze. It also serves as a juggling point until full 35 towers are up. Between steps 29 and 30, number 16 is sold and rebuilt half a tower to the right to open the juggle path further. Steps 36-60 are roughly the same for both versions, extending both the juggle and main route as the final step.

Hope that wasn't too complex Tongue

Also I'm flattered that you like my diamond juggle Excited
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Post by Chilled on 23/6/2011, 06:15

Thanks Leaf, but you understood it all too literally and now i'm feeling so n00b. I only asked to show sequence of building Smile
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Post by LeafMuncher on 23/6/2011, 07:59

I know you're not noob, its just I'm so used to teaching that maze in a literal sense. I know that wasn't how you meant it, its just how I chose to explain it Tongue
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